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 Post subject: "fused raw ore powder" tourmalines?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:18 am 
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Hello,
I see cheap tourmalines online described as made of "fused raw ore powder".
I emailed the vendor asking if it is as hard as real tourmalines and if the color doesn't change. He replied that it was "nearly as hard".
Here is a link to illustrate:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/470871418/green-tourmaline-square-faceted-gemstone
What do you think? Have any of you come across these?
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There is no such thing.

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Stephen Challener wrote:
There is no such thing.

Sorry do you mean that it isn't tourmaline? It's a scam?
It's even sold on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Fuchsia-Tourmaline-Faceted-Gemstone-Cushion/dp/B01MQVYJGJ


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"Fused raw ore powder" is just a nonsense phrase. My guess is it is normal glass they are trying to imply is made from tourmaline. If so the title calling it tourmaline would be fraudulent, yes, though one would need to examine a stone and establish its identity to be sure. I would just avoid it, nobody uses a phrase like that for a good reason.

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The phrase is actually worse that Stephen describes. It contains the word "Natural".

"natural tourmaline raw ore powder"

"The term Natural refers to a gemstone that is found growing/produced in the natural world without the influence of human activity. These would be gemstones mined from the earth as well as those discovered naturally occurring in the water (such as pearls and coral)."

here is a link to the Federal Trade Commission rules on the word Natural:
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0 ... nds-pearls

Why would someone do business with a company that starts their relationship with you by using a blatant lie in their product description?

If they do, they deserve what they get.


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Why would someone do business with a company that starts their relationship with you by using a blatant lie in their product description?

If they do, they deserve what they get.

What I thought they meant was that is was a lab-created gem made by fusing natural tourmaline powder, which I imagined might be a by-product of mining or polishing.
I didn't imagine that the term natural referred to the final product.

Are some tourmalines lab-created or lab-grown (don't know what the term is)?
Or is it not worth the cost?


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Tourmaline is chemically complicated and a poor candidate for synthetic production. Very small crystals have been grown for research but that's it. So anyone selling "synthetic tourmaline" is fraudulently misrepresenting their product, though it does happen.
Nobody is melting tourmaline powder to make glass. Even if they did it would not likely result in a beautiful product--glass composition has to be tuned carefully to get beautiful colors and high clarity.

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The company is located in China so it would be difficult to prosecute directly but I believe Etsy and Amazon should be made aware.

Amazon has a link for reporting a product one believes to be misrepresented above the actual description of the item.


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Stephen Challener wrote:
Tourmaline is chemically complicated and a poor candidate for synthetic production. Very small crystals have been grown for research but that's it. So anyone selling "synthetic tourmaline" is fraudulently misrepresenting their product, though it does happen.

Thank you that's what I needed to know


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Barbra Voltaire, FGG wrote:
I believe Etsy should be made aware.

Trust me Etsy couldn't care less until actual customers start complaining.


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I do believe that "fused raw ore powder" is the same as saying "glass". Same sort of deal when several companies were adding a pinch of Mount Saint Helens ash to a vat of colored glass and calling it "Helenite".

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This sort of reminds me of a "natural spinel powder" used to make Nano or nanosital "gemstones".
Mr. Google is only too happy to give many suppliers for it in the usual colours.
https://www.gemsngems.com/product-categ ... ourmaline/


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Curious-George wrote:
https://www.gemsngems.com/product-category/nano-sital-gemstone/green-tourmaline/

I find their explanations to be also ambiguous. When they give it the name Green Tourmaline, they're just talking about the color, I suppose?
This Nanosital has nothing to do with "synthetic" tourmaline, does it?


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seb2 wrote:
This Nanosital has nothing to do with "synthetic" tourmaline, does it?

Nanosital is an artificial ceramic-glass which can imitate a wide range of gemstones.
https://nanosital.com/


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13000+ sales.. look at all those satisfied customers blissfully happy in their ignorance.
Common sense is not so common anymore.


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