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Author: | farside [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:48 am ] |
Post subject: | How can you tell if a ruby/sapphire has been heated? |
it is my understanding that it is fairly easy to identify irradiated stones with the proper equipment, but how do you determine if corrundum has been heat treated? |
Author: | gem-n00b [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:11 am ] |
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One method that is used is microscopic examination. There are often inclusions in corundum that undergo characteristic changes when the stone has been subjected to heat treatment. |
Author: | Lee Little [ Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:44 am ] |
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Maybe somebody can help me out here, isn't there supposed to possibly be an iron line visible at 450?? in the spectrum of unheated blue sapphire?? |
Author: | Ursula [ Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:15 am ] |
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I have just completed a course on i.d. of treated and synthetic stones. My book gives amongst other i.d. criteria for untreated corundum (it does not distinguish between blue and other colors) the following: "Complete Fe spectrum of lines at 451.5, 460 & 470 is proof of natural (or heat treated) origin. A weak 451.5 line has been found in certain Verneuil and flux (Chatham) corundums. 'Natural heat treated corundum (normal type)' amongst several criteria in the book it gives"expanded/melted crystals, partly disolved silk etc., color banding tends to be more fuzzy". This is from my book. ursula |
Author: | Doos [ Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:22 am ] |
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http://www.gaaj-zenhokyo.co.jp/research ... _01en.html |
Author: | Lee Little [ Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:34 pm ] |
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Thanks Ursula for that info. Great reading Doos, appreciate the link. A Raman is on my wish list. So far in my observations I have found almost no great looking unheated corundum, even in the rough markets of mining areas. This could mean that it is as scarce as hens teeth or simply that I was not waving enough cash around, perhaps a combo of the two. Almost all the rough I saw that was unheated looked like heat would be a good idea if you wanted to be able to sell the finished product. All the unheated faceted stones I have run across that were certainly unheated looked second rate. Easy to see why heat is basically accepted. |
Author: | gem-n00b [ Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:39 pm ] |
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My avatar is an unheated 3.67 ct CC blue<->purple sapphire. You just need to find a dentist that specializes in female chickens. |
Author: | farside [ Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:47 pm ] |
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That sapphire is awesome. I love the purple but I admit I'm a sucker for non-standard/typical colors in a stone and I think I have just about every color in a sapphire except that one. Unheated too. Nice choice for an avatar. I can't decide what my avatar should be and I don't want to create any infighting and accusations of "special" treatment within my gemstone collection. They are very sensitive to these things. |
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