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 Post subject: Re: Swat emeralds, Laghman emeralds
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:03 am 
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First of all thank u putting a smiley over here, i thought u didnt like me very much. :)

Gianpero gave me a direct answer about how removing oil will not improve the price or the quality of the stone. And that was exactly what i was trying to find out. I dont know how to quote thats y i cant put his exact words here.

But one thing i would like to add here is that miners here oil everything irresective of quality.
They just put the stones filled a little with baby oil.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:21 am 
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If an emerald does not have surfacing fractures, it won't soak in. Therefore, when microscopically inspected, there will be no evidence of treatment, right?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:28 am 
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I think so yes. It makes sense yes.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:16 pm 
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I strongly suggest you order a copy of:

"Emerlds, a passionate guide" by Ron Ringsrud...

Alltought this book deals exclusively with colombian emeralds you will get a lot of usefull info about grading, pricing, treatments, proper cuttings and lots of nice to know things about emeralds...

You don't need to have any gemological culture to read Ron's book cause he has he ability to make every thing simple...


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:22 pm 
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I just ordered Gem Identification made easy.
and Secrets of gem trade. yesterday on Amazon couldnt find
the book u suggested but ill look it up.


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you can order it directly from the author HERE
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:56 am 
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hachiko wrote:
Dear all,
I need help to understand the prices for the following quality and sizes of rough swat emeralds.
500cts lot. 50% aaa. 30 % bquality and then very small 1 ct rough aaa quality 20%.
The size ranges from 0.5cts to 6 cts.
PLLLLLLLLLLLLLLeeaase guide me in the right direction on how much should i pay as i want to resell. My source is fantastic and i dont want to miss out on this opportunity.
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I contacted an old friend in Peshawar who sends me parcels prices for swat emeralds every few months. I sent him the exact copy of you post with the 50% aaa 30% b, etc. etc.
Those are very subjective terms so your "aaa" might be way off from his "aaa" and on down the line.
Like I said he sends me parcels and deals on Swat material for years now so he has a pretty good handle on prices and quality

Remember these are very subjective terms and should not be taken at face value..(english is not the best as you can see)
" price of the A oe good B grades, approx per ct you can get US$ 12 to 20 as you mentioned the specification(hachiko specs.)"

and top of the line material he said he was just offered a parcel of 70cts that were all eyeclean and top color but 1-2ct sizes and less for upwards of $86 a carat(that was before negotiations)

As Frank stated it's irresponsible to put a value on nothing more than some vague description of AAA, b, etc. without even a picture but their you go....

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:17 pm 
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Thank u so much Barrett for putting in so much effort i would agree with the second part about 1-2 cts top quality 86$.
But 15 to 20$ for A quality in which size did he say this is not understandable.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:11 pm 
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sorry I forgot to add that part
"2 cts to 15 cts sizes I got from my mine chain in last year per ct US$ 12 to 20"

The $86 a carat is top top top which is rarely ever offered and will most likely not be your material(we are talking 1-2ct sizes)...you will not be offered 250cts of top top material as it never comes around that way. He is lucky to have even seen 70cts in one batch of top material($86 a carat) which is the only batch he has seen this year of the best stuff and that is only in the 1-2ct sizes. He also said anything you see in Namak Mandi "is crazy prices" when it comes to Swat material

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Hachiko,
Many of us have experience as cutters and of course buyers of rough. To be able to set a price on what in words is mentioned as A, AA, AAA, B quality etc is very hard when not having the same stipulated reference chart to clarify the nomenclature.

Personally I would look for two primary things when judging rough emeralds. Color and lack of open, unhealed fractures. This said, next important thing is shape of material which is what tells me expected yield in combination with the two first criteria.

I would not be prepared to pay any price unless I could personally make a inspection of the rough in question. Second best would be to have it inspected by someone I trust is able to check the goods. In which case we should be familiar enough so to "speak the same language" regarding rough emeralds.

The latter is what Barret has been doing by developping a relationship with a dealer so his experiences regarding this are invaluable.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:26 am 
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Thank you conny for explaining judging of rough in such simple and clear words.
Can you pl. put a comparative pic. of a healed fracture and and a un healed one in a
emerald rough. It would would be very very helpful.
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Alberto wrote:
you can order it directly from the author HERE
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And I did! :wink:

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